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How Might a ‘Philosopher’s Toolkit’ Help Advance Neuroscience? Let’s Ask Some Neuroscientists

By: John Bickle, Patricia Churchland, Stuart Firestein, Michael N. Lehman, David J. Parker, Alcino J. Silva, Bradley J. Walters, and Robert W. Williams

Abstract: In the terms adopted by the editors of this special issue concerning how a ‘philosopher’s toolkit’ might contribute to progress in neuroscience, this paper reports posing that question to several neuroscientists, all with a track record of successfully interacting with philosophers. These discussions took the form of structured interviews following the methods of Barwich. The results highlight a number of issues that these neuroscientists think philosophers can help them solve. Different views emerged about what a ‘philosopher’s toolkit’ consists of; but each of these neuroscientists saw some important roles that philosophers can play within neuroscience itself. Transcripts of these interviews and the accompanying analyses reveal to philosophers that some prominent neuroscientists welcome their contributions, to central outstanding questions within their specific research fields and to more general concerns that confront scientists beyond those specific to neuroscience. These discussions and analyses based upon them should be welcome to philosophers of science-in-practice, especially to a subset recently dubbed ‘philosophers-in-science’. They also reveal to neuroscientists who are less familiar with interacting professionally with philosophers a glimpse of what some of their colleagues find potentially valuable about such interactions.

How Might a ‘Philosopher’s Toolkit’ Help Advance Neuroscience? Let’s Ask Some Neuroscientists was recently published in the European Journal of Neuroscience

Commentary from John Bickle:

When the European Journal of Neuroscience announced a special issue dedicated to “The Relevance of a Philosophical Toolkit to Advance Neuroscience,” my twenty-plus-year metascientific approach to the philosophy of neuroscience immediately honed in on a method: structured interviews with neuroscientists who have worked with philosophers. The interviews opened with the philosopher’s toolkit question, “what do YOU think a “philosopher’s toolkit” can contribute to progress in neuroscience?” Philosophers of science such as Ann-Sophie Barwich and Jutta Schickcore used such interviews as data for some of their publications, which I have admired. A paper resulting from such interviews could be relevant for philosophers who seek to interact with neuroscientists by showing that some neuroscientists welcome their input, and by suggesting some specific issues and problems these neuroscientists think philosophers can help address. It could also aid neuroscientists who might still be skeptical that philosophers will be much help by showing how the research programs of some of their colleagues have benefitted from these interactions. Perhaps these skeptical neuroscientists will recognize similar topics rumbling around in their labs’ discussions, and then be willing to bring on a philosopher to participate? Metascience loves such win-win situations.

So, in April 2024 I emailed some neuroscientists I had worked with previously, and others I knew who had worked with other philosophers, to gauge their interest in participating in this novel project. These ranged from senior PIs with decades and millions of dollars of grant funding and hundreds of publications, to mid-career researchers. (See the Methods section of the paper for brief bios of the participants.) I also included Patricia Churchland among the interview participants, since she had not only been instrumental in kick-starting neurophilosophy/ philosophy of neuroscience, but along with her husband Paul had been so influential in getting me excited about the field, back in my graduate student days in southern California in the 1980s. To a person, these neuroscientists all expressed interest in participating, so the interviews began then and there over email. These initial exchanges were followed by Zoom sessions that began with the “philosopher’s toolkit” question (above), followed up with more specific questions, each tailored to individual neuroscientist’s specific answers. Zoom interviews ranged in time from around 30 minutes to well over an hour. My wife and partner Marica Bernstein found an excellent tool to transcribe the Zoom transcripts into Word docx (see the Methods section in the paper), and after the interviews were over, we had more than 400 pages of transcripts from which to draw.

Two themes surfaced quickly. First, none of these neuroscientists wanted philosophers’ assistance with what popular media calls “the big questions about (neuro-)science,” nor questions of the sort that dominated the rise of the philosophy of science throughout the twentieth century. None of these neuroscientists requested assistance with the kinds of questions that dominate current philosophy of neuroscience, such as “are there legitimate kinds of explanations in neuroscience that are non-mechanistic?” “What do neuroscientists mean by ‘representation’ or ‘computation’?” Or “can our cognitive ontology be usefully reformed by neuroscience discoveries?” Instead, these neuroscientists wanted philosophers’ input on questions at the foundation of his or her specific areas of research. Not surprisingly, these neuroscientists’ differing areas of research foci likewise led to interestingly different assessments about what’s in a “philosopher’s toolkit.” Second, and in keeping with the first theme, all of these neuroscientists emphasized that basic philosophical training—in metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, or even general philosophy of science—wouldn’t be enough to help make these hoped-for contributions. Instead, the helpful philosopher would have to have real training in neuroscience—and in the specific area of research that the neuroscientist him- or herself engaged in. Acquiring this training will require philosophers to “embed” in labs, not in the capacity of a social scientist ethnographing an alien culture, but as a participant in the lab’s research or experimental work. Finally, they each recognized the difficulty that philosophers still confront in being taken seriously by their neuroscientist colleagues. But each related personal experiences about philosophers with their toolkits contributing to their research programs; and each agreed that recognition of these contributions by their fellow neuroscientists was warranted.   

Interestingly, the initial reviews of our manuscript were positive, but both the reviewers and the action editor (Ann-Sophie Barwich) had very useful suggestions for improving it. These suggestions led us to another round of email interviews to clarify numerous points, and to the work of Thomas Pradeu and colleagues’ recent British Journal of the Philosophy of Science publication, “Philosophy in science: Can philosophers permeate through science and produce scientific knowledge?” I confess to not having been aware of this important paper before one of the reviewers suggested it to us. It turned out to contain a description of an approach in the philosophy of science, ‘Philosophy-in-Science’ (or PiNS), that exactly reflects the kinds of philosophers (of neuroscience) that these neuroscientists were seeking as collaborators. Full reference to Pradeu’s and colleagues’ paper is provided in the References section of our publication. As we hope our paper does, Pradeu and colleagues’ paper can inspire both philosophers seeking to interact with scientists, and scientists intrigued by, but perhaps still skeptical, of what a philosopher might add to their research endeavors.     

One response to “How Might a ‘Philosopher’s Toolkit’ Help Advance Neuroscience? Let’s Ask Some Neuroscientists”

  1. robwwilliams Avatar

    Participating with John and others on this “toolkits” question has been a wonderful eye-opener and entry into a new field. Deep appreciation to John, and Marcia too, for catalyzing and completing this effort so efficiently; all that and in addition to everything else they do for the field of neurophilosophy. 

    Leading up to the interviews with John, I had been reading much of the enactivist core literature—in particular the work of Humberto Maturana and Francisco Valera—but now spreading out to G. Bateson, A. Chemero, A. Clark, T. Deacon. F. Egan, L. Favela, A. Noë, L. Pessoa, E. Thompson,… (four of whom I am delighted to have met at the first SPAN conference; thanks Danielle!).

    I was blown away (blown apart?) last year by reading “Autopoiesis and Cognition”, particularly the mind-bending appendix (pp. 124 to 134). It was exceedingly hard to grok their vocabularies and insights into the nature of living systems and cognition, but rewarding. (The editorial preface starts this way: “This is a bold, brilliant, provocative and puzzling work. It demands a radical shift in standpoint…”)

    Oddly enough, the explanatory text that helped me the most was a classic book in computer science published in 1986 by Terry Winograd and Fernando Flores: “Understanding Computers and Cognition. A New Foundation for Design”. Computer scientists revere this book, and so should neurophilosophers and neuroscientists because all of us are now struggling to wrap our heads around the capabilities and potential of large language models and their ilk. Chapter 4 of this book is a guided tour of Maturana and Valera’s core ideas — a cheat-sheet for me to get through Autopoiesis. 

    My contribution to John’s “toolkits” paper is essentially a cri-du-coeur to deconstruct “time” in the way that H. Bergson, W. James and E. Husserl tried to do this more than a century ago, but without the benefit of any neuroscience. With Neuropixel recording electrodes we can finally disassemble the brain temporal magic—the “magic” of Hofstadter’s strange loops.

    There is one paragraph on page 131 of the appendix that I hope will puzzle anyone reading this “Feedback” note as much as it did me:

    “Although the organism and the nervous system are closed atemporal systems, the fact that the structure of the nervous system is determined through its participation in the ontogeny of the organism makes this structure a function of the circumstances which determine this ontogeny , that is, of the history of interactions of the organism as well as of its genetic determination. Therefore, the domain of the possible states that the nervous systems can adapt as an atemporal system is at any moment a function of this history of interactions and implies it.” 

    How is that for a recursive style of writing, and entirely intentional.

    There are some wonderful movies on YouTube of gnu neonates managing to stand up within three minutes of birth and managing to trot along side their mothers in fifteen minutes. So yes, a lot can be managed in rapid order.

    But in the case of our very altricial human species, we are still toddling at 16 months. We take almost “forever” to build the temporal wetware brain-body structures and embedded priors needed to move smoothly. And we need about a decade to ramp up to semi-adult cognitive capacity of using the new-fangled language tool. Why is that?

    (By the way, Piaget has no answers).

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